Redwoods in Stout Grove

Largest Coast Redwoods | New Discovery | 2008 - 2017

Last 1/2 page covers redwood explorers 1963-2006 & other notes

Continued from: Coast Redwoods Main Page

Copyright 2014 - 2017 | by Mario Vaden | I.S.A. Certified Arborist - PNW 5584A

Redwood National and State Parks now has the tallest & widest redwoods surpassing all giant sequoias for girth and height. Coast redwoods below are a few of the new 2008 - 2017 discoveries. Upwards of 200 new diameter records, titans, champions and 18 ft. - 28 ft. (+) redwoods ... enough 24 ft. that I quit counting. Even a 235 ft. weeping Hemlock. The largest disclosed is Spartan, exceeding the 1998 Grove of Titans. These days the 20 tallest are like gum drops in contrast. More than one coast redwood exceeds General Sherman's (Sequoiadendron) 1321 points by upward of 40 points making coast redwood the national champion off-the-record. I will explain this more, but new finds virtually alter Sequoiadendron's common name. Ever since the 2008 discovery of Dog Soldier and others in Redwood National Park, it was evident more exist. For some not shown the main redwood page menu #1 is assigned to Emissary. Albino redwoods were discovered in Prairie Creek, Jedediah Smith and Humboldt Redwoods SP: see Albino Redwoods. (Update: another champion was found in RNSP, January 30, 2016, named "Hail Storm"). Recent years also opened new observations like Howland Hill Giant's fused stems. To get 2017 started, meet DARTH VADER



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Grogans Fault redwood, wider than famous redwoods Grove of Titans


What does this all mean? For me ... that I've seen the heart of the park where most people will never go. It also means I'm beginning to feel it !! Even my REI trekking pole is bent and crooked. These days I am exploring more mellow, but will and do return to a few rugged spots like New Hope Grove. I wished to explore Devil's Creek completely, but hope someone new to bushwhacking can cover that watershed thoroughly.

The era of giant coast redwood discovery is almost gone. Research will continue but the days of hunting for largest redwoods is almost a thing of the past. The remaining old growth is mostly explored. To hitch a ride on the tail end of this era is amazing to reconsider ... like running for the last car of an old steam locomotive, and someone reached out a hand to help me leap on board the last train that would ever steam down the tracks. Discovery of new giant redwoods is vanishing like a whiff of smoke.

Some discoveries were not fully unveiled, but any redwood may appear any time on any page including the mystery pages (main redwood page menu) generically. Regarding Spartan (Grogan's Fault) which we are sharing information for, Michael Taylor commented "not surprise me if the total volume of this beast is over 40K cubic feet." Compare that to old discoveries. For Melkor, May 2015, Taylor wrote the main trunk is 33,500 cu. ft.. Del Norte Titan main trunk is 33,670 cu. ft. with 9.5% volume from 43 reiterated trunks. Iluvatar has 12.3% in over 100 reiterated stems and the main trunk is 32,890 cu. ft. In light of new finds, Grove of Titans no longer has the largest coast redwoods.

In 2014, John Montague of Humboldt found a coast redwood in Redwood National Park with circumference 107.8 ft or 34.31 ft. ground diameter and 27 ft. dbh. Weeks later I found a redwood 27.4 ft. diameter dbh. May, 2015, John reported a record 29.2 ft. diameter dbh, single trunk over 25,000 cu. ft. Then John and Michael Taylor found a 24.5 ft coast redwood July, 2015. John discovered a 25 ft. diameter redwood later July, 2015. August 2015, I photographed one more 24 ft. that Chris Atkins identified in RNP near the coastal trail. Another was remeasured at 28 ft. etc., etc., etc. ... so many I quit counting, but John's list of 18 ft. and wider coast redwoods is nearing 400. The discoveries launched coast redwood ahead of all giant sequoia for diameter. Numbers for giant sequoia diameter often state ground level to sound bigger. But either way, coast redwood became widest 2014 to 2017. Recently I added the Church redwood on the blog. It's almost as wide as Del Norte Titan with a cave that may be largest in a living coast redwood.

One mystery finally unravelled. When John encountered the 29.2 ft. dbh coast redwood in 2015, I didn't ask where it was specifically, but remained curious where it could be that I had not seen it already. Early 2017 bushwhacking with Atkins, I returned to the grove, and learned it's the one John spotted. It happens to be one of several Thomas and I found years ago back-to-back of our Helios excursion. Due to time constraint, Thomas and I only measured a few redwoods, planning to return. This further explains what I wrote down the page about repeat findings. John got the first definitive tape wrap and deserves recognition for the diameter data. John requested keeping this among the group of redwoods not shown by photos. Due to finding the redwood with Thomas years earlier, it will end up with two names. Thomas and I call this 29.2' coast redwood Captain Jack Sparrow when we write or talk about it.

It's unlikely others will find Spartan, Capt. Jack, Enterprise or Spock with an ease some folks found Grove of Titans prior to 2010. The new discoveries are not a waltz in the park like Sir Isaac Newton that stares over to us. The new discoveries are all buried deeper in the forest where few people feel comfortable going.

Chris Atkins and Ron Hildebrant the math whiz from Humboldt, number-crunched 38,299 cu. ft. for Grogan's Fault, the biggest single stem coast redwood disclosed for the time being. The 38,299 cu. ft. was just the main trunk, excluding all reiterated trunks. By 2013 - 2017 we were aware of more in the 40,000 - 60,000 cu. ft. league. It reasoned that redwoods this large remained in Redwood National and State Parks. A few tower in Brünnhilde Gulch. There are a few more updates at Hyperion.

My exploring friend Thomas also helped get momentum going and returned from Germany, May 2017. We did a 3rd expedition past Bigfoot Ridge and other spots, but I think whatever holy grails remained were found 2014 - 2017.

It's worth noting that Redwood National and State Parks is not always behind the eight-ball on redwood facts. For example, the new sign for BigTree redwood claimed it was over 300 ft. when it was really 286 ft.. July 2017, the parks posted a video to Facebook suggesting coast redwood's known age and height, but the presenter's script omits virtually every new discovery.

While the era of coast redwood discover fades into history, the frontier ahead is a new era of redwood photography. Photographers have barely scratched the surface. 98% of pro and amateur images are the same places. 1000 shots of sunbeams in Ladybird Johnson grove, Rhododendrons along Damnation Creek trail or Avenue of the Giants. The heart of the redwood forest has never really been captured. It requires time, repetition and going places others won't go. This is the new era of coast redwood photography ... the journey continues.


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Largest Coast Redwoods of Redwood National and State Parks


Explorers of the Redwood Coast

Among the explorer network, Ron Hildebrant goes back years with Michael Taylor. After Dyerville Giant of Humboldt Redwoods fell March 24, 1991, after a strorm, Michael and Ron teamed-up to calculate height using marks on the adjacent "Cat Scratch" redwood. Dyerville Giant was discovered around 1966 by University of California scientist Paul Zinke and graduate student Allen Stangenberger. Taylor and Hildebrant realized the fallen Dyerville Giant was actually an unknown potential world record.

In February 1993, by phone, Zinke told Michael Taylor to watch for his other finds tagged 12, 13, 14, or the Three Peas in a Pod. Taylor and Hildebrant first became friends around Christmas 1990, and their first expedition together was February 1991 in Humboldt Redwoods State Park searching for tallest redwoods. Between that winter and the next summer is when Taylor began his quest for largest coast redwoods. Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park was Taylor's starting point.

Michael Taylor and Steve Sillett met autumn 1994 after Taylor spotted a super tall coast redwood. When Sillett arrived with a climbing team to measure, he noticed a small #12 tag, meaning it must be one of Zinke's Peas in the Pod. This is the same redwood they named Telperion. The group also spent a night up in it high canopy during a small rain storm, sleeping in customized hammocks called Tree Boats, acquired from New Tribe of Oregon. Telperion fell during the next strong storm 1 or 2 months later. The team may have escaped death by a matter of weeks. By 1996, Sillett climbed and confirmed Taylor's Mendocino redwood as a new world record for that era; 367.5 ft. And they found others together around the same time like Pipe Dream in Humboldt Redwoods State Park.

1987, Sillett's first exposure to the famous redwoods overlapped enrollment at Reed College where he studied botany. He eventually went camping at Prairie Creek, involving his legendary free-climb of a big redwood with friend Marwood. They used a smaller adjacent redwood's limbs to reach 70 feet, then leaped into the big one, and to the top. They obviously made their way down, but with some conflict with yellow jackets. The same week, Taylor, who had already experienced the redwoods at a younger age, was 15 miles away with a tour group in Redwood National Park.

In 1996, Sillett was hired to teach at Humboldt State University, and moved to Arcata from Corvallis, Oregon, three years after meeting Taylor. Sillett was very busy but managed to squeeze in a few hikes and bushwhacks with Taylor. Sillett also applied to Redwood National Parks at that time to climb coast redwoods for research. That is when Redwood National Parks established a permit process for scientists. There was no established climbing permit process for redwoods before. This is when the study and climbing began in Iluvatar and Atlas Grove redwoods. Sillett already knew Robert Van Pelt, a long-time explorer of other Pacific NW forests. He contacted VanPelt, taught him redwood climbing techniques, then Robert (Bob) joined the Atlas Grove study project. In 1997, Sillett called Taylor and started teaming with him to explore Redwood National Park on foot for more tallest redwoods. 1998 is the year Sillett and Taylor discovered Lost Monarch up in Jedediah Smith, the largest coast redwood known for that era.

Soon after in 2000, Chris Atkins heard about Taylor. They met and teamed together for many explorations including discovery of the world records Helios and Hyperion in 2006. Earlier, Atkins broke the world record himself in 2000, with Statosphere Giant in Humboldt Redwoods State Park; it moved ahead of the Mendocino coast redwood for at least four years. Together they found at least another hundred redwoods 350 ft. and taller.

We should note Paul Zahl, who, in 1963, led a small National Geographic expedition to what later became Redwood National Park. Finding no world record at first, he flew back east, but returned shortly and discovered the Libbey redwood: a world record that held the title for quite a few years. Zahl seems one of the shortest-lived redwood explorers, but I think the effort deserves attention. His discovery was also useful leverage to help secure Redwood National Park. Much of their quest did not have the present-day trail system to get around. He practically had to bushwhack the midst and banks of Redwood Creek. They finally found an old logging road to get into new spots.

Most of these discoverers are named in Forest Giants of the Pacifc Coast by Dr. Robert Van Pelt, or Richard Preston's non-fiction redwood adventure book. This is part of the network in a nutshell. Check out my review page on that Preston book because another explorer of a different sort is mentioned: G. F. Beranek.



Around 2008, I was contacted by Steve Sillett and Michael Taylor, about a month or two apart. Taylor invited me to explore and explained his methods. Sillett invited me to check out potential study plots and explore with him and Dr. Robert Van Pelt (aka The Lorax). Eventually Sillett offered me part time work assisting Chris Atkins to measure other tallest redwoods associated with a LiDAR project. In those years and following, I found new notable or record trees with them, some on my own, and met other people involved with the research network: Marie Antoinne, Jim Spickler, Giacomo Renzullo, Anthony Ambrose, Dr. Hiroaki Ishii and Kenneth Fisher. This is where I joined the redwood forest network.

For the LiDAR redwoods, Chris Atkins preferred camping, and we spent many evenings enjoying campfires and talking about the day's adventures as fog rolled-in over the redwood park. The few times I helped Steve Sillett, cabin lodging was in style, with home-cooked meals.

I still have strong interest for exploring, but started photography and portraiture through my redwoods experience and plan to focus on that more. But I still keep an eye out for notable redwoods.

Meanwhile, I watch a few others picking up the quest of exploring. Zane Moore is an albino redwood enthusiast and committed his path to related college education. Zane will follow the path of botany and forestry, but presently his experience is minimal. John Montegue has an emphasis looking for fat redwoods and recording dimensions. But aside from Zane, hardly any new redwood explorer understands nuts & bolts of horticulture.

What really set apart explorers like Van Pelt, Sillett and Taylor, was not just a good eye for spotting new discoveries. It was their connection with the forest, understanding it more with every season. Each one of them was a forester, arborist and naturalist of a sort. Even Chris Atkins is more of a naturalist than some realize. These men and their collaborators went beyond the basics of knowledge. They practically read the forest like a book, learning it's story unfold as countless chapters continue to be written.


2016 Coast Redwood discovery update



Leaks, Breaking with Tradition, The Gymnosperm Triathlon

Some remarkable redwood photos and stats were withheld after learning about a few people who triggered damage around various redwoods, so the full extent of new discovery was not unveiled. More about that at Screaming Titans.

Also, people inquired if we found a coast redwood (s) exceeding the volume of General Sherman. The question is best left unanswered because the Sierra Nevada is better prepared for crowds. People can be content with old landmarks like Big Tree in Prairie Creek. Plus, the Sierra Nevada would get hammered economically if it suddenly lost it's advertising lure. Every brochure would be revised. Reservations would decline. Losses would run in the millions. And if people thought barking at rangers was an issue for not telling undisclosed redwoods, like 8 years ago ... imagine the barking if giant sequoia formally lost it's crowns. Half the shop and motel owners of the Sierra Nevada would be calling non-stop, asking to see with their own eyes. In light of this, not telling rangers which parks should help them, and ease the burden when inquiries are made at visitor centers. While on this note ... sometime look closely at General Sherman and the long vertical crease engulfing included bark from twin Sequoiadendron trunks, evidence of it's double tree origin.

The new discoveries virtually remove "giant" from Sequoiadendron's common name "giant sequoia". Coast redwood owns the genus name "Sequoia" and years ago somebody thinking the Sierra Nevada genus had the only giant genus, devised that nickname. But the new finds are so enormous along with height advantage too, that coast redwood is literally the millenium's new Giant Sequoia

We decided not to nominate Spartan (Grogan's Fault) and other ones to American Forests, breaking with tradition. For decades the trend was that big tree hunters nominate new finds for a stamp of approval. We realized no outside stamp is needed, or the need to reveal every detail. Plus a good number of people prefer some mystery anyway. But Spartan would be national champion with about 1359 points. There are several reasons for not nominating. No matter how much American Forests may promise to keep locations secret, other discoveries and articles proved that good intentions get compromised. Also, think about it ... if tens of thousands all found out the size of all largest coast redwoods, imagine the wear and tear, plus rangers inundated with questions they can't answer.

Some people don't understand why national champions are what they are. The competition is best described as a Triathlon among huge plants. Recognition and points are earned by height, crown spread and girth. The angiosperm or gymnosperm that earns the most points from all three aspects is recognized as the champion. Taylor, Atkins and Hildebrant became so accurate measuring, there's no need for climbers. I saw Taylor measure within 1 millimeter of a tape drop. And this is not scientific study. It's available with lasers to know minimum volume for "raising the bar". Even with other discoveries like Tsunami my own measurement was on the money with no need for climbing.

It's worth a heads-up that anonymous leakers caused enough wild goose chases that they are now known as FUBAR Incorporated. Plenty of emails have come our way from people following dead-end leads. We don't have plans to iron out the wrinkles if others choose to use contaminated hints from anonymous unknowns. Apparently anonymous leakers don't know what the tallest or largest redwoods really are or the locations. They are in totally in the dark about Deku, Hail Storm, Spartan, Spock, Enterprise, Jack Sparrow, Vesuvius, Ghengis and 100 others or more.


Redwoods people encounter & emails


People often send emails about redwoods they encounter, wondering "does it have a name?" ... "what does this tag mean?" ... "has it been found before?" In a nutshell, almost nobody except Montague or Moore found something noteworthy that Taylor, Sillett, Atkins or Hidebrandt hadn't seen years ago. For example, one coast redwood mentioned by Redwood-Ed and measured by John in 2016 was trunk-wrapped with Lowell Cottle in October 2008, viewed again with Chris Atkins in 2011, and likely by Taylor & Sillett prior to 2003. It's name Redwood-Ed seemed appropriate for that vigorous redwood though, because Redwood Ed (Gilbert) is known to flaunt horsepower in his Porsche. This is also similar to the 29.2 ft. diameter Captain Jack Sparrow found around 2009 with Thomas, then found again later in 2015 when John explored the same area.

Unless somebody finds something in a rare size class never heard of, discoverers or researchers may have little interest. Occassionally an old discovery is worth measuring more completely. But 99% of the time people write about redwoods that were seen or archived. John was keeping track of every 18 ft. dbh coast redwood. But an 18 footer list has no more value than a man feels it's worth, because some 16 footers that don't make the list exceed volume some 18 footers that all make the list. Ponder that for a moment ... there are hundreds of 18 footers on this new list, but Adventure coast redwood, one of the 30 largest, will be omitted because it's less than 18 ft. wide.

After a long talk with Ron Hildebrant, it's evident more coast redwoods were found many years ago than we realize, not named or listed. Ron's exploration exceeds whatever author Preston conveyed in his book. When I heard how long Ron has been exploring and where, I realized some of the new finds were likely ones he saw years ago. Richard Preston focused so much on Sillett and Taylor, that Hildebrant and a couple others were basically pushed-aside in regard to the meat and potatoes of their exploration. Yes .. there will be a couple of big remnants out there somewhere. But I think the chance of a newly discovered 30,000 cu. ft. coast redwood is about one percent. And the chance for another 40K is maybe 1/50th of one percent.

If you read my book review, you know Preston's writing was a complete blackout of G. F. Beranek, who just released his 5th hard cover coast redwood book. Beranek spent the greater part of his life in redwood country, and like Ron, visited countless nooks and groves. But aside from his technical skills, most redwood reading connoisseurs around the world have no clue how much area Beranek explored. When we couple Beranek and Hildebrant with Taylor, Atkins, Van Pelt and Sillett ... the acreage covered is far more complete than others may imagine. Plus, the lesser known research team members didn't just sit stationary when they studied individual redwoods. They took a peek in every direction during spare time.

Along this narrative of old discoveries, it's worth interjecting that the huge coast redwood Juggernaut is not a new discovery, but a pre-2012 discovery. A lot of people seem confused about it because someone interjected that name to another redwood Spartan (Grogan's Fault), and several in the discovery inner circle started using the wrong name, similar to how a virus gets introduced into computers. I have not "virus" cleanser for redwood names, except to suggest reading all my redwood pages to compare photos with the right names.

Finally, Atkins figured out how to use LiDAR for finding largest redwoods. LiDAR is easier to use for locating tallest redwoods and other species. But there is a way to use the data to hunt for the largest volume coast redwoods. This is one more big reason the chances are so slim. July 2017, Michael Taylor found another 350 footer in RNP using LiDAR, plus a 20,000 cu. ft. en route, but those are like gum drops compared to his previous discoveries. Going beyond 2017, I expect a few tidbits of discovery. but expect minimal update changes. The remnant finds are so few and medium now ... it reminds me of people "scraping the bowl" when their stash depletes.

Regardless, Enjoy your adventure and "stay thirsty my friend" !!


Inside scoop about permits

Redwood National and State Parks rangers said they prefer permits for activity like wrapping tapes around trunks or using rangefinders to gather data. I applied for 2 research permits in 2014 and 2015, then wrote a report for each year. Several discoveries were found before or after, and I am not obligated to keep those undisclosed. But I limit the locations to myself and a handful of exploring friends. These days I priimarily take scenic photos which do not require a permit. A good number of other people are searching and data gathering. Dozens of them. Virtually every one decided to stay under the radar and skip the permits altogether.

I can't blame those other people for bypassing permits. It's a long story, but In 2015, someone with first-hand knowledge confirmed a "ranger" told the location of an undisclosed (at the time) research project redwood, and apparently contrary to park policy. This confirmed emails over the years about someone on the parks' payroll breaking policy. The net effect boils down to people boycotting permits to hopefully better-protect their discoveries.

Permits can have good purpose and I won't discourage you from getting one. But I can understand why some people choose those as a last resort.



$1000.00 donation for the Grove of Titans

In 2016, a letter and check was sent to the Department of Parks and Recreation to help contend with environmental impact at the Grove of Titans in Jedediah Smith park. For their purpose I am listed as the sender, but a large part came from someone we can express a big thank you (Mark Graham)

The donation can be for signs, trail or other needs. I added extra cash to the check to compensate for gofundme's fee and the final contribution matches every penny given. Photos showing impact are provided on my Screaming Titans redwood page. More about this on another page called Impact to a Grove